Does Thor aim for the head? During the intense and heartbreaking final act of Infinity War, Doctor Strange arrives on Titan with Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.) and Spider-Man (Tom Holland). and Strange responds "If I tell you, it won't happen" (I'm paraphrasing here, these might not be their exact quotes), but we can infer that means that Strange thinks he's still on track with his vision (If we were already off track he could just say "No this different already but it doesn't mean its impossible to win" or something like that). Why didn't he repeat the trick on Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War? Maybe the reality stone could counter it if the user can trick the timer into undo the spell/give up the stone. In the world of chess, an "endgame" strategy refers to the tactic of promoting a pawn into a more powerful piece and turn the tide of the game. All of that leads to one big question, however - what happened in all of those alternate futures that Doctor Strange saw in Avengers: Infinity War? Thanos had to win. When Strange reversed time in the final fight of his movie, Kaecellius and his followers broke out of the spell within few moments. Warning! I'm under the impression that four stones should be more powerful than just one. Or in the round 3 when Strange is allowed foresight vision on what is going to happen? Seeing as the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need to accomplish their goals, the Illuminati probably didn't have to endure five years of hardship before going back in time to get old versions of the Stones the way the Avengers did. Well if other people can show my view of the film is flawed I'll agree but it seemed like hes only able to continuous time loop and return from the dead in the dark dimension because there is no time there only the power of time that he brought with him. Ben has taken a 'Film Production & Cinematography' university course, and recently completed a 'Scriptwriting' masters course, both completed at Bournemouth University. In Eternals, the Celestial Arishem reveals that he seeded another Celestial within the Earth's core and that it will emerge when they gain "vast amounts of energy from intelligent life." In the comics, Drax is not only much stronger than his on-screen counterpart, he was essentially created to defeat Thanos. . . . . . . . . . . Just Thanos snaps 2x. Press J to jump to the feed. Like in the MCU, the ultimate resolution came down to a plan by Doctor Strange -- albeit one that had far worse consequences. In a random encounter, the answer is obvious. Doctor Strange would utterly wreck Thanos with his powers. Doctor Strange at regular levels can even RELATED:Avengers: Endgame Toy Offers Clear Look at Iron Man's Quantum Armor. While Strange could control time with the Doctor Strange in the MCU timeline is shown to defeat his opponents through magic and intelligent work. If this is the case,many are left wondering why Strange didn't intervene. The snap greatly damaged Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet, and that may prove to be the necessary weakening for the survivors to undo his actions in Avengers: Endgame. In the end, Doctor Strange pulls off a massive win for the Avengers and humanity because he chooses the one future scenario where the Infinity Stones are not only gone, but Thanos is also out of the picture. Why Didn't Doctor Strange Trap Thanos In A Time Loop? Bureaucracy being mightier than any super weapon is a a peery funny trope, but also true IRL. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! None of the other allies can die. It turns out that these heroes ended up "at war" with the forces of Thanos as well and were as desperate as the heroes of the MCU to stop his plans. Also, with how easily Thor was able to behead Thanos in the opening of Avengers: Endgame, it seems unlikely that in all14,000,605 outcomes, none of them resulted in the Gauntlet being taken from Thanos and him being killed. WebCan Thanos beat Captain America? To see the other way Thanos met defeat, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is in theaters now. It doesn't appear as though any of the other Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy were involved with the battle this time around either, which makes sense considering just how powerful and brilliant the Illuminati's heroes are. the Mind Stone, the Time Stone, and the Soul Stone. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. In infinity war , he went toe to toe with Thanos who had 4 infin While this horrifies the other Avengers, this clearly isn't a power limited to Kang. Every other outcome on Titan is merely delaying eventual defeat since it is inevitable someone much worse than Thanos will one day wield one or more of the stones," the Redditor concluded. I think he had the sling ring. Marvel confirms Doctor Strange could have easily stopped Thanos by using a horrific time-manipulation technique. Their leader Ajak may not have been inspired by Tony Stark's sacrifice and had the realization that Earth is worth saving. This is why I found this whole battle scenario quite interesting to think about. Strange has to ensure the BEST possible outcome that includes killing thanos with as little casualities. But there wasn't enough onscreen proof that the events casted by reality stone is more than hyper-realistic illusion, and DS might be able to see through it given that he is a soccerer supreme. The team utilized the Book of Vishanti to come out of this battle on top as Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. Thanos has stones here. . Especially within his favourite franchises, such as Star Wars. Isn't it simply explained that it needed to be the precise individuals who needed to survive (and come back with Hulk's snap)? The trio run into more than half of the Guardians of the Galaxy, including Star-Lord (Chris Pratt), Mantis (Pom Klementieff), Drax (Dave Bautista), and Nebula (Karen Gillan). After viewing millions of possible futures, Strange only saw one way to final victory over Thanos and it involved the Mad Titan winning, if only for the moment. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? This, however, would be extremely graphic and would no doubt clash with the family-friendly image Disney cultivates, even in a literal fight for all existence. The power and space stones can kill or bfr Strange but can't undo time loop (evidented by the Domarmu battle), the soul stone is featless (as far as I can remember). It's likely the main reason he was able to take Stormbreaker to the chest and still live. The person needs to consciously think and act to get them to do the things you want. Honestly, we aren't even surprised because Doctor Strange has and always will be an absolute mastermind. With taking courses involving film, Ben has extensive knowledge of movies both new and old, and keeps up to date on all the latest goings-on in the film industry. New Rumor Reveals Ben Affleck's Batman Involvement In James Gunn's DCU, Warner Bros. Unveils New Superman Movie Collection Amid DC Reboot, Robert Pattinsons The Batman 2 Gains Unsurprising Cast Member, Michael B. Jordan Shares Blunt Response to Black Superman Casting Rumors, Loki Season 2 Gets Release Date Update (Report), The Flash Movie Synopsis References Henry Cavill's Superman. Furthermore, in round three when DS is given the opportunity to foresee all possibly future battle outcomes, he would know any potential tactics Thanos might use and thus could effectively steer the direction of battle away from these to ones that are more favourable toward himself. It took him 14 million possibilities to one that they succeeded in. And found that his passion lays in scriptwriting, where he can combine his love of movies, writing, and storytelling. Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain It also could be that Strange was only able to access successful futures feasible in his universe. There is always a chance but by himself he would not have much of one with out doing something dramatic like when he fought the Hulk He used the po However very few of them were willing to sacrifice others for the greater good. With the Avengers locking Thanos in place and almost taking the Gauntlet, it could be assumed that they would've beaten him and taken all the Infinity Stones back. Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. Despite a brief jaunt in Mathematics at Durham University, film writing was always his calling. Could MCU Thanos with 4 stones beat Dr Strange with just time stone, without WIS/PIS? Basically, it still brings me back to my original point: unless the stones act independently, and only in the best interest of Thanos, how would Thanos be able to react in time to actually activate the other stones' powers? That is why the story of Jesus Christ resonates so strongly with people because they believe he sacrificed himself to save everyone. Fans constantly theorize about Doctor Strange's sacrifice, with many claiming he gives up the Time Stone because the only way the Avengers can defeat Thanos is after he collects all of the Infinity Stones and erases half of the universe. Ya, Ive seen one theory saying the power stone over-rules the other stones. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. And while he used all manner of magical spells on the Mad Titan, he seemingly never considered trying the same Dormammu time loop trick again. Would he be froze still or can he still perform? 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One theory I've seen and agree with is that once Thanos had the Soul Stone he was effectively unstoppable as it became sort of like his "guardian angel." This exposed him to new plans and ways to combat Thanos, hinting that there may have been solutions present that didn't require Doctor Strange's plan in the MCU. Doctor Strange beat Dormammu by trapping him in a time loop. Perhaps that needn't have happened if Doctor Strange had used the Time Stone's full powers just one film earlier. Strange wins. Thanos should still win, although he'd have to try much harder. They may have even ended the battle before Thanos even touched ground on Earth-838, meaning that Thanos would have been missing the Time and Mind Stones before completing the set. Sam Raimi's Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness reveals the way another reality defeated Thanos, and the massive cost it incurred. Thanos on the other hand is the opposite. He currently lives in the United States and writes about Marvel, DC, Star Wars and other properties. With Doctor Strange peering into over 14 million possible futures, one fan theory suggests he foresaw a key event from Eternals: the emergence. Plus, while we have seen Thanos used the most basic form of time manipulation but simply turning the time back, he is not a socerer so there is no gurantee he could cast/undo the higher form of spells such as time-loop. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain thanks to giving Thanos the Time Stone and allowing him to kill countless (in the name of eventually restoring them all). For requests, comments, or to hear his pitch for a third Avatar series that incorporates robots, you can reach him atbs.zachary@gmail.com. If even one person is standing a few feet away from where they need to be they could be killed, injured, or too slow to help out another. Related: Doctor Strange's Role In Avengers: Endgame. The film arrives on April 26. If disintrigate the very stone itself could not stop its effect, I am not sure if someone else can just take it and make it stop without the caster's consent. When Iron Man and Spider-Man boarded the ship to save Dr. There's actually a lot more reasons why Strange didn't put Thanos in a time loop than it at first seems. Thousands of other tiny variables that could affect the outcome of the battle. Tough to say, but I think Thanos might win this one still. Allowing him to sense the passage, even within a loop, was key to wearing down his defenses(and rounding out Doctor Strange'sexploration of the fear of death). This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. Why is Doctor Strange able to go toe-to-toe with Thanos? I see the other answers are focusing mostly on the fact that Doctor Strange used the Tim But with the halving of the population, the emergence was delayed for another five years. On-screen stone feats only. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone ( no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. Dormammu resides in a different dimension, not a different universe. Much like Thanos was likely too powerful, quick and or intelligent to let his hand be cut off, Thanos likely could have broken out of the spell. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dimension rulerDormammu by trapping him in a neverending time loop, dying over and over until the demon agreed to his bargain and left Earth alone. Could literally just slip the gauntlet right off, behead him, cut off his arms, anything, and all before he'd have time to react. Copyright 2023 Distractify. The necessary team-up between Tony Stark and Scott Lang to adapt PymTech also explains why Strange was willing to save Iron Man's life despite his earlier vow not to do so. This term, of course, comes with its own strategic implications, from a popular tactic in chess. They all play an important part in the battle and in Endgame. On-screen stone feats only. The Sorcerer Supreme infamously never usedthe powers of the Time Stone in the fight against Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, and though he and his fellow Avengers eventually won the day, he paid dearly for his hesitation. This also came before Baron Mordo was a part of the team, which was also most likely because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, with Doctor Strange involved instead. But, weren't they only able to break out of it because they were prepared, and knew it was coming, able to then use dark magic before Strange cast the spell? The rat had to free Ant-man randomly. Cap verbalizes this difference in ideology when he says that we do not trade lives when talking about destroying the mind stone. Round 2: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. ", I mean the tva just made the timestone look weak as hell even though it is easily the strongest stone all other are nothing compared to it not even the soul the stone is as strong as it. It's true that Doctor Strange looked into more than 14,000,605 different futures "to see all possibly outcomes of the coming conflict" but evidently there were still some futures he did not see. So Strange would use the time stone > see himself get snapped away > Then what? As Doctor Strange desperately tried to figure out a way to defeat Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, he peered into 14,000,605 possible futures. He knows that he has the ability to alter the time stream, so I presume he was considering those possibilities as well in his 14 million options. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. But either way, it's still a compelling theory that's fun to believe in, as it adds even more weight to Strange's Infinity War actions. RELATED: Avengers: Endgame Had A Better Thor Than Chris Hemsworth For One Deadly Reason. -Where is Captain Marvel? Can Thanos clears all three rounds and how? can any of the stones help Thanos in gaining victory if Doctor Strange has already foreseen every possible moves he could make? While Sprite is resentful of them, Makkari points out that humans "defeated Thanos, and saved half the universe," showing that the Avengers' actions had an impact on how the Eternals viewed Earth. 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