Rigo:What's interesting about eugenics is that it's a dirty word now, but in the 1920s and the early 1930s, they were mainstream ideas, they were in vogue. 5639 episodes The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, Rigo:And this is perhaps the greatest achievement of The Pioneer Fund, is by keeping the race science flame alive, there is an intellectual continuity for people like Sam Harris, and they don't have to start from scratch. The user assumes responsibility for obtaining permission from the copyright holder to publish or distribute this image. Suddenly I'm in the suburbs of New York, and I'm walking down, uh, a street and a car drives by, and there's, uh, a, a father and his son, and the son screams out the window at me, you know, something like, "You dirty [expletive]." And the whole thing in a way does confirm what Barry Mehler had an inkling of since he was a boy. Lisa:So on one hand, you have a very bored, uh, very racist wealthy boy, and on the other, you have a rising American Nazi. Now, for better or worse, these are all facts. Be the first one to, Advanced embedding details, examples, and help, Donahue - Female Impersonators - 1987.ia.mp4, Donahue - Playboy Daughters - 1990.ia.mp4, Donahue The 25th Anniversary - 1992.ia.mp4, Donahue Then and Now - Male Strippers - 1987.ia.mp4, Phil Donahue Show - Adult Entertainers - Nov 1987.ia.mp4, Donahue - Female Impersonators - 1987.mp4, Donahue Then and Now - Male Strippers - 1987.mp4, Phil Donahue Show - Adult Entertainers - Nov 1987.mp4, Terms of Service (last updated 12/31/2014). It was part of his insecurity, but the data for this was so stupid. Innate Themecomposed by Jonathan Pfeffer. Lisa:This is exactly what The Pioneer Fund ultimately wanted, right? And it's a label they pin on people and then you don't even attend to what the person said. Lisa:Ah, the infamous William Shockley. Essentially, it gave racists a cover story. Rigo:Yes, and here's an example of that. And so, they always had first, a, a sense of assurity that they were right, and also a sense of urgency, the same sense of urgency that I felt. I can't imagine how Barry Mehler feels watching this all explode and then kind of die down and become less controversial again. Lisa:Not surprised to hear that they're not just spewing hateful ideas, they're acting on them. You see, I don't see it in terms of we're making progress, and these people are on the run. They wanted the ideas out but not their name. Lisa:Chapter Two: The Mankind Quarterly. Search the history of over 797 billion Archival of Shockley:My research leads me inescapably to the opinion that the major cause of the American Negro's intellectual and social deficits is hereditary and racially genetic in origin. I mean, I was never anybody really important. Bill:In general, Pioneer funded two different groups of recipients. And you're a Neo Nazi and he added you back. Rigo:One of the people to receive the most money from Draper and the Pioneer Fund was the founder of the Mankind Quarterly, Roger Pearson. on January 8, 2023. In Silicon Valleys renegade days, a hardheaded Texan chased dreams of a flying car. I had a subscription to all these, you know, Nazi newspapers. It's the Phil Donahue Show, one of the '90s most watched talk shows. They are acutely aware that they're talking about the survival of the white race the same way as we talk about the survival of the polar bears, you know, and of the whales, and of the elephants. Lisa:I feel like you're about to play me an example. And before you try to tell me that he's still on the fringes, listen to this. Barry:When I was 13, you know, we have a bar mitzvah and, you know, a Jewish boy becomes a man, and there's a big party, and, you know, I have five brothers so I'm in middle, and so this was the first time they made a big fuss over me and I was the center of everybody's attention. If you were less than one quarter Jewish then you could be considered, uh, to be Aryan, which was much more lenient than the one drop rule in the United States. Rigo:Exactly. It's the Phil Donahue Show, one of the '90s most watched talk shows. 7 (July, 1991) Cross-Port InnerView, Vol. Rigo: This is a clip of the film itself translated in English. Lisa:Right. He wanted to understand their philosophy. 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[laughs] You'd probably groan and hope you, like, you could avoid him at a faculty mixer, right? They wanted to sue me for libel, and throughout my career, I have been at risk of being sued for libel because, you know, you, you call people Nazis, and, you know, they get upset, and no one has ever been happy that I exposed their racist and right wing connections. Rigo:Exactly, but he does it in a very polished away. Lisa:There's no resolution. So The Pioneer Fund doesn't really care about the science. In a 14 minute video mailers heard using profane language directed at both his students. It was as if one person had finally realized what was going on, and he was sending out the warning signal. In fact, he spent his whole career going after people like Rushton, poking holes at their arguments, trying to get people to see them for what they really are, racist scientists. Stuff was pouring off the presses from him. Title of Larger Work The Phil Donahue Show Collection Title Collected Works of Milton Friedman Project records Guest Friedman, Milton (1912-2006) Host Donahue, Phil Publication Type(s) Interviews & TV Appearances. They didn't really care about the science, but they relied on the science to give some sort of validity to their claims of racial inferiority, and Arthur Jensen was literally a star. This is so bizarre that nobody will ever be able to take this guy seriously.". Rigo:Yeah, and in fact the Pioneer Fund was very pro-active in finding these race scientists. Lisa:Okay, let me zoom out a little bit. Lisa:Oh, this is another opportunity for me to go Wickliffe Preston Draper, isn't it? Here's $100. 7 No. Hope it will be revived. And even after his death, Pioneer continued the same tradition, which was the distribution of unsolicited works to various individuals in the hopes that it would influence public policy. Rigo:Yeah. WebPhil Donahue was born on December 21, 1935 in Cleveland, Ohio, USA. Lisa:I appreciate how clearly Barry Mehler gets to the heart of the issue. Lisa:In a way, this kind of makes sense for how academia works. To check on you officers. Format Moving Image. These ideas just stay in the public consciousness, they don't go away again, and all the work that he did to expose it doesn't really make it stop. For more information, please contact. Lisa:Wow. He won a Nobel Prize for his work on semiconductors. Rigo:Yeah. Rigo:To polite society, it looked like professor's doing some perhaps questionable work on the side, but nothing that would warrant negative attention, but most people weren't really reading The Thunderbolt. Rigo:Of course, it had to be him. If I was on a national public radio program, that's fine. It was interesting to learn that they would Draper would send them, like, Christmas presents basically, like literal, like, "Here's $50. He was a legend in Silicon Valley. Paul: And while he's in Europe Draper quite literally pals around with Nazis. The Hagley Digital Archives provides online access to selected items from the Hagley Library's collection of images, documents, and publications related to the history of business, technology, and society. There would've been no 'Donahue' show without that studio audience.". How did people receive this? It was very important for them to be able to find a place where they would be appreciated. Well, the idea of eugenics is basically a belief that the human race could or should be quote, unquote, "improved" by selective breeding. February 5, 2022 by . Wh- why is there all this hatred? Rigo:One way that the Mankind Quarterly differs from other journals is their use of pseudonyms, which I'm guessing is it not normal in academia? It's kind of a misunderstanding, or a misuse of Darwin's theory of evolution, and it's actually interesting that it's Darwin's cousin, his half cousin, Sir Francis Galton, who really advocates for this idea of genetic determinism. Rigo: In 1935, before the Pioneer Fund is official, Laughlin sends Wycliffe Draper to a eugenics academic conference in Berlin. Rigo:Okay, here's one. Rigo:The seed of The Pioneer Fund starts in the early 1900s, with a guy named Wickliffe Preston Draper. James Moll conducted the interview on May 9, 2001 in New York, NY. And since these race scientists all knew each other, the journal became kind of like an echo chamber, and they all praised and cited each other's work to give it the veneer of legitimate science. Stuff. Rigo:That was Barry Mehler Lombardo, a legal historian who studied The Pioneer Fund. I'm retiring at the end of this year. I'm sorry, 11 million dollars in 1920s money? Rigo:Roger Pearson was a British guy who starting in 1958 ran a neo Nazi publication called Northern World out of a British tea plantation in Kolkata, India. Uh, they had the platform. [laughs]. And so you know where his head's at. He took off his kippah and pretended he wasn't Jewish, and he embedded himself with neo Nazis. Keepers of the Flameis Episode 3ofInnate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race,a podcast and magazine project that explores the historical roots and persistent legacies of racism in American science and medicine. Lisa: Ah, charming. He wrote the Funding of Scientific Racism. You know? Actually, this brings something up for me. He wants us to mention that he has throat cancer, and that his voice is strained. He's even polished when he starts talking about things like sex. He had his own moment on the Phil Donahue Show in 1980. 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He was the great scholar, [laughs] and I was just this annoying fly who was, uh, pointing out things that were embarrassing and disturbing to them, and it was the nature of what I was pointing out that was embarrassing to them, not who I was. 1 No. He had a much more prestigious position than, than I had. So here is a guy who's wiling to take a stand for racism, and the Pioneer was willing to give him anything to help him spread that news. Donahue:So what you mean a bigger brain means a smarter person, Phillipe Rushton on Donohueslightly so yes, on average. That is the foundation for the claims that African-American people on average are intellectually inferior to whites. The political implications of this is that if Black people are intellectually inferior, why bother having a social safety net? They painted the swastika backwards." Los Angeles - 1985 - Janet Leigh Jamie Lee Curtis.mp4. Bill:The Mankind Quarterly is a very interesting publication. We show that the Nigerians have longer penises. Lisa:Hi, Rigo. Lisa:Wow, this is delightful daytime content. Our agenda to port bill Blakemore has been looking into a fairly obscure research fund that has drawn attention because of this book, the bell curve, a fund. That's how I felt. Normally in my reporting process this is the part where I reach out to the Pioneer Fund or mankind Quarterly -which is also still around today -- But i didn't and theres a very specific reason why that is. I mean at the time it was released, The Bell Curve, I, I know was widely discredited by a lot of mainstream scientists. But if you want to go complain to your Dean, you go ahead. Rigo:So he writes a series of articles in the late 1970s exposing people like Jensen, and then in 1983, he writes a paper called The New Eugenics in which he puts all these race academics into context. I would imagine that some opinions are changing as the war drags on. on the Internet. Lisa:So, and this is really just personal curiosity, what about Barry Mehler? American media personality Phil Donahue is famous for pioneering and hosting "The Phil Donahue Show," later known as "Donahue." Okay. His claim to fame was being an expert witness in Buck v. Bell, where the Supreme Court ruled in favor of allowing states to force sterilizations on people with intellectual disabilities. on the Internet. His guest for the episode was Charles Murray, who co-authored the 1994 book, The Bell Curve. High quality topics, the wisdom of his years, masterful tactics in eliciting answers from guests and audience, crafty spontaneous, and at times - well timed pertinent flow of questions and inquiries, not self-opinionated, all these qualities that present talk-show hosts don't seem to have. Over the years, he was trying to show the world that there was a direct line from Nazis in World War II to race scientists like Philippe Rushton, and it all comes back to the funding source. 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You have a position at Johns Hopkins. In 1967, Phil Donahue left his positions as news reporter and interviewer at WHIO radio and television in Dayton and became the host of a new television program, Phil Donahue Show on WLWD (now WDTN), also in Dayton. His new program replaced The Johnny Gilbert Show, when Gilbert left on short notice for Los Angeles for a hosting job. web pages Innateis made possible in part by the National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom. Rigo:So he actually publishes a lot, and one of the things he published was an article in a Nazi magazine. Their goal was just to have a platform for their ideas to live on. Lisa:Back up a second. He was a member of the magazine's advisory board. Scientists pushed back against this hard, but Murray still gets tons of attention from the press, and it gets legitimized. She says that this is something anthropologists have been saying for years, that the category of race itself wasn't a real scientific category but race scientists weren't ready to let it go. Rigo: So I had a chance to Barry Mehler recently, and I asked him about the appearance on Phil Donahue three decades ago. Now, while the video, the language in that video is profane. Rigo:Yeah. Barry:Most people had this view that we were making progress, that everything was getting better, and that World War II was just another move on the road towards progress, and I really didn't see it that way. It's to get the message out, "You can't go through the Jews because they distort everything.". When you do research, funded research, you're kind of beholden to your funder in certain ways, right? So, Lisa, I know that you've done some research on eugenics because we've done other episodes that touch on it. on the Internet. Digitized material in this online archive may document imagery or language that reflects racist, ableist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise offensive and harmful beliefs and actions in history. Hosts: Alexis Pedrick and Elisabeth Berry Drago I mean, he's, he's this well spoken fellow in a nice suit. Quality varies and some episodes may not be complete. Uploaded by Rigo:Some of it was just completely bonkers. Rigo:So, clearly method three achieved the desired effect, to find powerful like minded racists. Then I, I trust you believe there are others. Angela:If, you know, the basis of the study of human difference for a couple of hundred years has been that race is real, you don't let go of it overnight, and so of course they didn't let go of it, uh Of it overnight. They're on the frontier, you know, beating back the wilderness, um, killing off the Natives. Rigo:Yeah. 7 No. [laughs]. Lisa:Presumably he's not also a race scientist? Who's funding him? The real scientists. Barry:And Ron said to Issac, "Isaac, there are some people who might want to harm your father. Uploaded by Having said that, The Pioneer Fund succeeded in their eugenic ideas surviving. One were actual scientists working on projects that Pioneer though w- would have results that could be exploited for their political agenda. I was right about the cabal in the basement. He recalled one instance when his grade school son, Isaac, wanted to go play in the woods with his friend, but his volunteer body guard stopped him from going. ", And in a number of cases, it wasn't even money for the research, it was just money for the individuals, gifts, large gifts of personal checks to the people who carry on this research. This is the Nazis in suits strategy that was so part of their message. EMMY, EMMYS, and the Emmy Statuette are registered trademarks and/or copyrights Of ATAS and NATAS. He was the first person to really call them out publicly. Lisa:So you're telling me they didn't have to apply for grants, or have funding cycles, or write proposals. The white race is absolutely endangered, and the Jews have absolutely control over the mind of Americans. Then the black population in the United States on the average. Rigo:Yeah, and he got cover stories in the New York Times magazine, Newsweek, and The New Republic. Rigo:Even though his work was only in left leaning publications, the TV appearances were a big platform for Mehler to refute their ideas, but he says that might have been for nothing. This is vile and viscous racist anti Semitic stuff, and he finds news there that he doesn't get anywhere else. Bill:Usually people wanting their research to be funded take the initiative to contact funding agency and say, "Hey, look. You know, for God's sakes, we're feeding them breakfast. Phil Donahue, who may be television's most prominent advocate of that school, taped five episodes of ''Donahue,'' his syndicated talk show, in the Soviet Union last month. It's giving these ideas air, right? Respectable scientists and academics were promoting these ideas, which is why Draper starts making friends in high up places in the eugenics world, and he kind of finds an ideological soulmate in a man named Harry Laughlin. MSNBC canceled Phil Donahues talkshow after an internal memo (leaked to the All Your TV website, 2/25/03) argued that he would be a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war. In his four-and-a-half hour Archive interview, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. web pages Rigo:One of the things that I really appreciate is how he pivots from being funny to serious very quickly, like the humor gets people's attention, and then he sneaks in some truth. Archive of Erbkrant: You find it a specially high percentage of mentally air among the Jewish population. Lisa:But since this is Distillations, I'm guessing they're not. WebThe Phil Donahue Show All Episodes 1967 - 1994 Season 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 15 14 13 1 All Overview 54 Episodes IMDB TMDB TVDB Fanart.tv JustWatch Wikipedia You know, so but that, you know, uh, ultimately, uh, I, I don't think I won anybody over with any of that. They made a lot of anonymous donations, or passed the money through foundations and non profits. Its run was Lisa:So they really do move underground. His hugely popular show aired from 1967 to 1996, and Donahue won nine Daytime Emmy Awards (197780, 198283, 198586, and 1988) as Rigo:So I asked Barry Mehler about the video. Rigo:Exactly, and they develop a playbook to ensure their survival. It doesn't care if it's good science, certainly, and you don't have to be the most productive academic in the world to get money from them. Lisa:So basically Mehler's kitchen table would have been filled with racist propaganda hate mail 24/7 365? Rigo:And there's more. So Draper he's very proud of that. Episode 4from the Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race series. He accuses Mehler of character assassination, bias, and of being a left wing nut. Rigo:It was a journal for racists by racists, a home for race scientists who had been rejected by other more mainstream journals. It goes on so prominently that, uh, when this book arrives on the desk of members of Congress, Theodore, uh, Bilbo, infamous Mississippi senator known by his biographer as the arch angel of white supremacy, he praises the book, and he actually takes it to the floor of Congress and reads it while the filibuster is going on to prevent federal law against lynching being passed. I mean, I was never anybody really. I went to the police about the swastika on the mailbox and they said, "Yeah, you know, that's just kids, you know, and look, they didn't even do it right. The father is just driving along proud of his son. Paul: And then writes about it in an, a newspaper article that is syndicated and sent to a number of places around the country. It was because I was not a mainstream scholar that I was able to get away with all the things that I was able to, to do, and I did survive. He is an actor and producer, known for Body of War (2007), Donahue (1967) and The Bold and the Beautiful (1987). What Pearson had done was he brought together all of these fascist intellectuals, academics that had been orphaned by the war, and they needed a place to come together. The guy on the left is Philippe Rushton. He started learning about the Klu Klux Klan, the right wing fascism and neo Nazis, and the thought about this stuff more and more until he reached a conclusion. Episode 3from the Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race series. Barry Mehler on Donohue:I gave a press conference and he came to hear me and I gave a paper and afterwards we sat down for a cup of coffee together and he said, Barry, you made some excellent points, but this Neo Nazi business, I mean, I know these people, you talking about stand up guys. And I said, Phil, you're in a stand up. Rigo:Mehler not only sent out his subscriptions, but he was also a due paying member of white supremacist organizations. Barry:Jensen and Shockley were stars, were, were Pioneer stars, and they received huge amounts of money from The Pioneer Fund. Despite what most people would agree were really problematic endeavors, Pearson did not have trouble finding a job in academia. Rigo:Why do you think that is? Rigo:So Laughlin comes up with their first endeavor. Lisa:Okay. Wow, William Shockley. 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